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Backuppen voor TimeBackup?
« Gepost op: 18 november 2010, 23:37:51 »
Vanavond eens de stoute schoenen aangetrokken en TimeBackup geïnstalleerd...
Dat heb ik geweten! Gelukkig ben ik een reuze voorzichtig mens die niets doet zonder een goede backup en dat kwam nu eens van pas:

What happened?

Na installatie en starten via de package manager het ding maar eens gestart. Tot mijn niet geringe verbazing werden alle lopende processen (dus ook mijn websites) pontificaal gestopt :shock:
Een hoop gereutel en geratel verder kreeg ik een weliswaar gelikt scherm, maar aan de praat krijgen ho maar: de ene foutmelding op de andere en een orgie van berichten in de DSM...
Dan maar stopzetten en eens kijken wat er zoal plaats vond op mijn systeem. Daartoe ingelogd via Putty en MC gestart. MC gestart?!? Vergeet het maar! Dan maar eens kijken wat daarmee gebeurd is. MC staat normaal (via IPKG geïnstalleerd) in /opt/bin.
Wat schetst mijn verbazing: de hele /opt directory was LEEG!!!
AAAARGH! Alle IPKG installaties om zeep geholpen.

Gelukkig was een en ander snel gerepareerd door een eigen(...) backup terug te zetten.

Vervolgens kom ik er ook nog achter dat men en passant ook nog even mijn smb.conf had 'gerepareerd'. Ik heb daar een aantal modificaties in staan. Lekker... maar niet heus.

Ik vraag mij af of er meer mensen zijn die deze fenomenen hebben meegemaakt.

Ter lering ende vermaak hier nog even de regels uit messages die hierop betrekking hebben:
Nov 18 22:21:11 upgrade.cgi: upgrade.cpp:783 Clean /tmp/update.progress...
Nov 18 22:21:11 upgrade.cgi: upgrade.cpp:785 Clean /tmp/update.message...
Nov 18 22:21:11 upgrade.cgi: upgrade.cpp:262 We get / to upgrade.
Nov 18 22:27:27 root: /usr/syno/etc/rc.d/S98findhostd.sh stop findhostd
Nov 18 22:27:44 kernel: [448052.008821] nfsd: last server has exited, flushing export cache
Nov 18 22:27:45 rsyncd[3515]: rsync error: received SIGINT, SIGTERM, or SIGHUP (code 20) at rsync.c(567) [receiver=3.0.4]
Nov 18 22:27:57 scheduler: scheduler.c (1613) Got signal. Die gracefully.
Nov 18 22:27:57 scheduler: scheduler.c (1631) rTorrent is killed.
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.047490] ------------[ cut here ]------------
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.052188] Kernel BUG at a0180fdc [verbose debug info unavailable]
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.058531] Oops: Exception in kernel mode, sig: 5 [#1]
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.063828] MPC8544 DS
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.066263] Modules linked in: loop nfsd exportfs usbhid hid input_core usblp usb_storage ohci_hcd ehci_hcd ppc85xx_synobios(P) skge ipv6 synoacl_ext4(P) synoacl_vfs(P) cryptosoft ecryptfs sha512_generic sha256_generic sha1
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.112758] NIP: a0180fdc LR: a0181158 CTR: 00000000
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.117798] REGS: aa2a9c80 TRAP: 0700   Tainted: P            (2.6.32.12)
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.124658] MSR: 00029000 <EE,ME,CE>  CR: 24008222  XER: 20000000
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.130850] TASK = bf835a10[2639] 'mediatomb' THREAD: aa2a8000
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.136582] GPR00: 00000001 aa2a9d30 bf835a10 a1759f3c bf9a1590 bf9a7f14 aa2a9d40 bf9a15a0
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.145041] GPR08: bf9a156c ffffffff bf9a1590 0fb06000 24004222 10148a48 00000390 7fddce50
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.153500] GPR16: 7fddce40 7fddce30 7fddcde0 7fddcdd0 00000000 7fddcd90 7fddcd80 7fddce00
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.161960] GPR24: 7fddcd70 be6fd580 a03a6b48 00000000 00000000 a1759f3c bf9a1590 bf9a7f14
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.170606] NIP [a0180fdc] prio_tree_replace+0x30/0x98
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.175820] LR [a0181158] prio_tree_remove+0x114/0x130
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.181030] Call Trace:
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.183560] [aa2a9d30] [00103000] 0x103000 (unreliable)
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.188873] [aa2a9d60] [a0071d34] vma_prio_tree_remove+0x54/0x110
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.195049] [aa2a9d70] [a00793cc] __remove_shared_vm_struct+0x84/0x94
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.201569] [aa2a9d80] [a00749b4] free_pgtables+0x68/0xbc
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.207049] [aa2a9db0] [a007b5ec] exit_mmap+0xe8/0x140
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.212271] [aa2a9dd0] [a0030fe4] mmput+0x34/0xe8
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.217055] [aa2a9de0] [a0035088] exit_mm+0xfc/0x110
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.222100] [aa2a9e00] [a00353d0] do_exit+0x160/0x548
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.227231] [aa2a9e30] [a0035888] sys_exit_group+0x0/0x28
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.232710] [aa2a9e40] [a003fda0] get_signal_to_deliver+0x2dc/0x2fc
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.239060] [aa2a9e70] [a0008504] do_signal+0x54/0x26c
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.244282] [aa2a9f40] [a000fe90] do_user_signal+0x74/0xc4
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.249843] Instruction dump:
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.252889] 90a50008 90a50000 90a50004 80040008 7f802000 40be002c 80030000 7c002278
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.260737] 7c09fe70 7d200278 7c004850 54000ffe <0f000000> 90a50008 90a30000 48000024
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.268761] ---[ end trace 72188b1fd320361e ]---
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.273452] Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed!
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.484430] ------------[ cut here ]------------
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.489131] Kernel BUG at a0180fdc [verbose debug info unavailable]
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.495474] Oops: Exception in kernel mode, sig: 5 [#2]
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.500773] MPC8544 DS
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.503207] Modules linked in: loop nfsd exportfs usbhid hid input_core usblp usb_storage ohci_hcd ehci_hcd ppc85xx_synobios(P) skge ipv6 synoacl_ext4(P) synoacl_vfs(P) cryptosoft ecryptfs sha512_generic sha256_generic sha1
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.549700] NIP: a0180fdc LR: a0181158 CTR: 00000000
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.554739] REGS: b228dc80 TRAP: 0700   Tainted: P      D     (2.6.32.12)
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.561599] MSR: 00029000 <EE,ME,CE>  CR: 24828422  XER: 20000000
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.567791] TASK = acf5cad0[21149] 'python2.5' THREAD: b228c000
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.573609] GPR00: 00000001 b228dd30 acf5cad0 a1759f3c bbfc3fbc bbfc3cc8 b228dd40 bbfc3fcc
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.582068] GPR08: bbfc3f98 ffffffff bbfc3fbc 0f507000 24824422 10019c74 fffffff0 00000000
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.590528] GPR16: 30089260 00000001 100a515c 00000000 3014aec0 00000000 00000001 10012218
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.598987] GPR24: 00000001 bbbc75a0 a03a6b48 00000000 00000000 a1759f3c bbfc3fbc bbfc3cc8
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.607632] NIP [a0180fdc] prio_tree_replace+0x30/0x98
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.612846] LR [a0181158] prio_tree_remove+0x114/0x130
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.618056] Call Trace:
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.620587] [b228dd30] [00103000] 0x103000 (unreliable)
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.625899] [b228dd60] [a0071d34] vma_prio_tree_remove+0x54/0x110
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.632076] [b228dd70] [a00793cc] __remove_shared_vm_struct+0x84/0x94
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.638596] [b228dd80] [a00749b4] free_pgtables+0x68/0xbc
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.644074] [b228ddb0] [a007b5ec] exit_mmap+0xe8/0x140
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.649297] [b228ddd0] [a0030fe4] mmput+0x34/0xe8
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.654080] [b228dde0] [a0035088] exit_mm+0xfc/0x110
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.659124] [b228de00] [a00353d0] do_exit+0x160/0x548
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.664255] [b228de30] [a0035888] sys_exit_group+0x0/0x28
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.669733] [b228de40] [a003fda0] get_signal_to_deliver+0x2dc/0x2fc
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.676083] [b228de70] [a0008504] do_signal+0x54/0x26c
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.681305] [b228df40] [a000fe90] do_user_signal+0x74/0xc4
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.686867] Instruction dump:
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.689914] 90a50008 90a50000 90a50004 80040008 7f802000 40be002c 80030000 7c002278
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.697762] 7c09fe70 7d200278 7c004850 54000ffe <0f000000> 90a50008 90a30000 48000024
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.705786] ---[ end trace 72188b1fd320361f ]---
Nov 18 22:28:10 kernel: [448077.710476] Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed!
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448077.995281] ------------[ cut here ]------------
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448077.999981] Kernel BUG at a0180fdc [verbose debug info unavailable]
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.006324] Oops: Exception in kernel mode, sig: 5 [#3]
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.011621] MPC8544 DS
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.014056] Modules linked in: loop nfsd exportfs usbhid hid input_core usblp usb_storage ohci_hcd ehci_hcd ppc85xx_synobios(P) skge ipv6 synoacl_ext4(P) synoacl_vfs(P) cryptosoft ecryptfs sha512_generic sha256_generic sha1
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.060546] NIP: a0180fdc LR: a0071d94 CTR: 00000000
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.065586] REGS: b3aefcb0 TRAP: 0700   Tainted: P      D     (2.6.32.12)
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.072446] MSR: 00029000 <EE,ME,CE>  CR: 24028422  XER: 20000000
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.078637] TASK = bf87eb10[2611] 'snmpd' THREAD: b3aee000
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.084021] GPR00: 00000001 b3aefd60 bf87eb10 a1759f3c a306e0f8 b3b32a28 00000000 a306e108
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.092481] GPR08: a306e0d4 ffffffff a306e0f8 b3b32a28 24024422 1001da10 fffffff0 00000000
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.100940] GPR16: 007fff00 fff90000 7fb3a360 00000000 00000000 ffffffff 00000000 00000000
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.109399] GPR24: 7fd4f1e0 aa363aa0 a03a6b48 00000000 00000000 0fa4e000 00000000 b3b32a04
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.118045] NIP [a0180fdc] prio_tree_replace+0x30/0x98
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.123263] LR [a0071d94] vma_prio_tree_remove+0xb4/0x110
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.128734] Call Trace:
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.131264] [b3aefd60] [0fa4e000] 0xfa4e000 (unreliable)
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.136664] [b3aefd70] [a00793cc] __remove_shared_vm_struct+0x84/0x94
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.143184] [b3aefd80] [a00749b4] free_pgtables+0x68/0xbc
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.148662] [b3aefdb0] [a007b5ec] exit_mmap+0xe8/0x140
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.153884] [b3aefdd0] [a0030fe4] mmput+0x34/0xe8
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.158668] [b3aefde0] [a0035088] exit_mm+0xfc/0x110
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.163712] [b3aefe00] [a00353d0] do_exit+0x160/0x548
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.168843] [b3aefe30] [a0035888] sys_exit_group+0x0/0x28
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.174321] [b3aefe40] [a003fda0] get_signal_to_deliver+0x2dc/0x2fc
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.180671] [b3aefe70] [a0008504] do_signal+0x54/0x26c
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.185893] [b3aeff40] [a000fe90] do_user_signal+0x74/0xc4
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.191455] Instruction dump:
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.194502] 90a50008 90a50000 90a50004 80040008 7f802000 40be002c 80030000 7c002278
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.202350] 7c09fe70 7d200278 7c004850 54000ffe <0f000000> 90a50008 90a30000 48000024
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.210373] ---[ end trace 72188b1fd3203620 ]---
Nov 18 22:28:11 kernel: [448078.215064] Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed!
Nov 18 22:28:11 synoprint: printer_device_open.c:16 bad parameter.
Nov 18 22:28:13 synocheckshare: Fix shares in smb.conf.
Nov 18 22:28:17 synocheckiscsitrg: iscsi_conf_restore_file.c:91 lid:1 name:iqn.2010-01.DiskStation:Wizjos1 found in /volume1
Nov 18 22:28:18 ddnsd: ddnsd.c:1890 First update query: http://wizjos:quointrxcz@204.13.248.112/nic/update?hostname=wizjos%2Eendofinternet%2Enet&myip=94.212.228.25&system=dyndns&wildcard=NOCHG&mx=NOCHG&backmx=NOCHG
Nov 18 22:28:34 kernel: [448102.027729] svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97).
Nov 18 22:28:54 ddclient[11279]: INFO   :  service started
Nov 18 22:31:06 kernel: [448253.762987] ata5: device plugged sstatus 0x1
Nov 18 22:31:06 kernel: [448253.767484] ata5: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0xe frozen
Nov 18 22:31:06 kernel: [448253.774453] ata5: irq_stat 0x00800080, device exchanged
Nov 18 22:31:17 hotplugd: ACTION:add.
Nov 18 22:31:17 hotplugd: DEVNAME:sde.
Nov 18 22:31:17 hotplugd: DEVICE:/proc/bus/usb/000/000.
Nov 18 22:31:17 hotplugd: DEVGUID:0.
Nov 18 22:31:17 hotplugd: SYNO_PMP_EVENT:.
Nov 18 22:31:17 hotplugd: hotplugd.c (275) ==== eSATA device [sde] plugged in ====
Nov 18 22:31:17 hotplugd: SYNOUSBIGetNumByName(42): fail to get the value for key [sde]
Nov 18 22:31:17 hotplugd: SYNOUSBDevGetInfo: get devnum & busnum for [sde]
Nov 18 22:31:17 kernel: [448264.599206] CIFS: UNC Path does not begin with // or \
Nov 18 22:31:17 hotplugd: fs_sata_mount.c:98 mount SATA disk sde failed. (0X2C00)
Nov 18 22:33:42 verbkp.cgi: [16236]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:33:42 verbkp.cgi: [16236]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:33:42 verbkp.cgi: [16236]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:33:42 verbkp.cgi: [16236]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 16236
Nov 18 22:34:34 verbkp.cgi: [17103]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:34:34 verbkp.cgi: [17103]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:34:34 verbkp.cgi: [17103]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:34:34 verbkp.cgi: [17103]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 17103
Nov 18 22:34:43 verbkp.cgi: [17336]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:34:43 verbkp.cgi: [17336]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:34:43 verbkp.cgi: [17336]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:34:43 verbkp.cgi: [17336]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 17336
Nov 18 22:34:57 verbkp.cgi: [17609]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:34:57 verbkp.cgi: [17609]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:34:57 verbkp.cgi: [17609]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:34:57 verbkp.cgi: [17609]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 17609
Nov 18 22:35:57 verbkp.cgi: [18596]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:35:57 verbkp.cgi: [18596]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:35:57 verbkp.cgi: [18596]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:35:57 verbkp.cgi: [18596]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 18596
Nov 18 22:36:38 verbkp.cgi: [19311]BK_ERR:move task [My backup Set 1] to recycle directory /volumeSATA/satashare/TimeBackup/.recycle/19311_7336fe5a fail : 2(No such file or directory)
Nov 18 22:36:38 verbkp.cgi: [19311]BK_WARN:Failed to delete task path
Nov 18 22:37:12 verbkp.cgi: [19821]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:37:12 verbkp.cgi: [19821]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:37:12 verbkp.cgi: [19821]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:37:12 verbkp.cgi: [19821]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 19821
Nov 18 22:37:38 verbkp.cgi: [20291]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:37:38 verbkp.cgi: [20291]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:37:38 verbkp.cgi: [20291]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:37:38 verbkp.cgi: [20291]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 20291
Nov 18 22:37:50 verbkp.cgi: [20611]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:37:50 verbkp.cgi: [20611]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:37:50 verbkp.cgi: [20611]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:37:50 verbkp.cgi: [20611]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 20611
Nov 18 22:38:12 verbkp.cgi: [21059]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:38:12 verbkp.cgi: [21059]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:38:12 verbkp.cgi: [21059]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:38:12 verbkp.cgi: [21059]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 21059
Nov 18 22:38:23 verbkp.cgi: [21310]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:38:23 verbkp.cgi: [21310]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:38:23 verbkp.cgi: [21310]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:38:23 verbkp.cgi: [21310]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 21310
Nov 18 22:38:52 verbkp.cgi: [21830]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:38:52 verbkp.cgi: [21830]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:38:52 verbkp.cgi: [21830]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:38:52 verbkp.cgi: [21830]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 21830
Nov 18 22:41:44 verbkp.cgi: [24583]BK_ERR:create snapshot device failed. exited(1)
Nov 18 22:41:44 verbkp.cgi: [24583]BK_WARN:creating snapshot of volume1 failed
Nov 18 22:41:44 verbkp.cgi: [24583]BK_WARN:no snapshot has been created
Nov 18 22:41:44 verbkp.cgi: [24583]BK_ERR:fail to remove snapshot info of process 24583
Voorlopig voor mij geen TimeBackup fratsen meer :cry:

Groet,

Wizjos
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Backuppen voor TimeBackup?
« Reactie #1 Gepost op: 19 november 2010, 08:09:24 »
Fijn clubje die mannen van syno. Ik blijf voorlopig ver weg van timebackup. Ik heb het even kort getest op een nieuwe ds710 en had daar geen problemen maar ja....die was out of the box..
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